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09 Jan 2009 |
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Early in November I was lucky enough to get into an Expert Mock Draft with the FantasyPro911 founders and some other great experts. It was one of the first drafts for the upcoming season and I was worried about where to target many players, not wanting to embarrass myself drafting with many of these experts for the first time, especially so early in the hot stove season. I was really worried about targeting some players too early by having the 12th pick (wheel) pick and I was already finding it tough because of the long time between my picks. So when it came to my sixth round pick I decided to go with Stephen Drew. Drew was the fourth SS taken with the other big three all going in the first six picks of round one. As soon as I made the Drew pick, I got a response in the draft chat room from one of the other draftees saying “Stephen Drew?” so instantly I was worried about embarrashing myself this early in the draft. I had Stephen Drew in a group of second tier Shortstops which include Derek Jeter, Rafael Furcal, JJ Hardy, Michael Young and Troy Tulowitzki that should all go before the end of round eight. Personally, I also would put Johnny Peralta there too but I wasn’t thinking he would go that high either. Surprisingly none of them stood out above the other last year except for maybe Furcal who was injured for over half the season. Of this bunch, I have Drew ahead of them all for 2009 especially adding in the risk factor associated with age (Jeter, Young) and staying healthy (Furcal, Hardy, Tulowitzki). Here are all their stats for last year:
What the stats show me are a typical young player who came up mid-year in 2006, did well, only to hit the sophomore slump when he come back his first full season in the majors in 2007. Last year, he started the season with a groin and hamstring injury then settled in and begin to play to his potential. So at age 26 (the age his power should begin to increase) and entering his fourth season I am thinking he should only improve upon those 2008 numbers. His 2008 numbers really show his progression made in batting average after the All-Star break:
Here are two projections for Drew for 2009 where he will be 26:
Both target him more inline with his 2007 year and not with his 2008 numbers which he should meet or exceed through normal progression based on age and experience. Not to mention, he plays for a very young, but talented hitting team which should show better numbers this year as well. If all goes as expected I would not be surprised to see Drew actually finish with conservative 2009 numbers such as:
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written by Ozzie, January 10, 2009
I would have to say taking Drew that early was probably a mistake. I have a hard time imagining that he was the best player available and probably should have taken someone else considering he was the first 2nd tier guy get drafted.
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written by Ender, January 10, 2009
I don't think Drew is really a .290+ hitter, his batting eye just doesn't support it, his second half was driven almost completely by BABIP. I don't have a problem with you sticking him with any of those other guys but I think you have it backwards. You don't want 'the best' of the second tier, you want the one who falls the farthest and thus is the best value.
I would never have picked Drew where you did in the 6th, i'd have waited for the 7th/8th round and taken whichever 2nd tier guy you liked the most that was left.
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written by SeanAgranov, January 10, 2009
Thanks for the kind words guys.
Ozzie - I am a big Alexei Ramirez fan ( have him on some of my keeper leagues for next to nothing). I was planning on trying to cover him later since I think he is going way to early this year. i did a mock tonight and he went in the 4th round. Brian - there was a SS run that began in the 5th and i think everyone in that group was gone by the 7th. In every mock i have done so far this year they are all starting to go in the 6th in a run.
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written by ChristopherMulligan, January 10, 2009
Sean, great article man. I was a Drew doubter for a long time. However, I was talked into giving him one last shot last year by a friend. I'm extremely glad I did. I always knew that he could be a great player but was skeptical about him ever hitting for power.
Having said that, I think that he has just about reached his power potential. I think that J.J. Hardy is a better pick and has the greater power potential. If Drew could ever add the SB to his game he would be a top 5 SS.
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written by This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it , January 10, 2009
...you definately do your homework...
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written by Brian Joura, January 09, 2009
I like Drew but I think the 6th round is a little early. Where did those other SS that you defined as his peer group end up being drafted?
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written by behindtheplate8, January 09, 2009
I am very optimistic as well of Drew. His power is for real, hit HRs in the minors, had 44 doubles and 11 triples last year. With a .315 average in minors, his upside his very good heading into his prime.
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written by big o, January 09, 2009
enjoyed this article .
am afraid that if i buy into making a case for stephen drew , and he reverts back to 2007 "form" , that your next article would be "making a pine box for big o" .
... written by Jimmy Ray, January 09, 2009
Projections are a funny thing with young players. You always want to play it safe with them. in the case with drew one would think you would put his numbers somewhere in the middle of 2007 and 08, not all the way back to 07!put in the middle and hope for a big improvement! Drew belongs in that group of players, so does Peralta. The 6th round I guess is about right for him. I just not crazy about any SS after the big 3. How many games will furcal play? I put the over/under at 110....my money is on the under!!
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Tags: Stephen Drew Shortstops Derek Jeter Rafael Furcal JJ Hardy Michael Young Troy Tulowitzki Johnny Peralta
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Just wanted to address your point of projection systems "downplaying Drew back to those 2007 numbers, not the 2008 numbers that I think he should improve on."
Projection systems use more than one year's worth of data, so 2007 data (and 2006 data, for that matter) will be taken into consideration. Drew did perform at that level, and as such it must be taken into consideration. 2008 will be weighted more heavily, but 2007 will still be included and there will also be regression to the mean at play, further pushing his projecting down. Very rarely will you find a projection system projecting a big breakout for a player. Any breakout you do see projected will usually be a smaller one that is a simple result of moving along an age curve (or it will look like a breakout as a result of increased playing time). This is true of any systematic projection system, aside from maybe PECOTA, which uses comparable players to drive their projections. Just the nature of the beast, but that's why you're seeing that with Marcels and Bill James.